Warbrain
Sep 12, 08:22 AM
NO
Thank you. I've been restraining myself from doing that. How many times do we need to say that?
Thank you. I've been restraining myself from doing that. How many times do we need to say that?
macximum8
Sep 12, 07:34 AM
Apple web site also reporting It's Showtime...
http://phobos.apple.com/showtime/showtime.html
http://phobos.apple.com/showtime/showtime.html
demallien
Oct 9, 03:34 AM
Finding where the keys are on your HDD is the easy part, accessing and using them is the task that takes months... [Simple way to find the location of the keys. Image your HDD. Purchase file from iTunes. Image your HDD compare the two images. The new key(s) (and the file itself) must be in the bits that changed.]
Sure. Of course, the guys working on DRM at Apple aren't idiots. If you were an engineer charged with defeating this type of attack, what would you do? I can tell you what I would do, I would start changing a whole load of bits on your harddrive, not because it's necessary, but because it makes it that much harder for you to find the stuff that changed.
It's a moot point anyway. Any file that you download from iTunes is going to be at least a few megs in size. The key is going to be somewhere in the order of a couple of hundred bytes. Which bytes amongst the several megs are the key? They aren't necessarily contiguous, they're almost certainly encrypted by another key hidden elsewhere in the system, and they may even be fiddled by a virtual machine after decryption, just to muddle things up a little bit more.
Finding the approximate location on the HD is simple. Fiding the actual key in the right order is an extremely difficult task.
As someone who does this for a living, can you comment on my read of the hacks that have been released in the later post http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2917258&postcount=96. It still seems to me that where DRM has been hacked has relied on key retrieval or finding the weak spot in the chain.
B
Um, of course DRM hacks rely on either retrieving the key, or finding the weak link. They are the only two attacks possible - grab the data after the program has decrypted it for use, or find the key/algorithm so that you can do the decryption yourself. At the moment the first attack is nearly trivial to implement, although that will change a bit when the manufacturers start moving on to a "Trusted Computing" style platform. All you need to do is write your own audio driver that sits between the computer and the real driver. It picks of the data and stores it as it's sent to the speakers.
The second solution is much more difficult, but far more elegant. It allows you to keep intact all of the metadata associated with the file (track name, lyrics, album name etc etc). BUT, you have to be clever enough to recover the key.
Sure. Of course, the guys working on DRM at Apple aren't idiots. If you were an engineer charged with defeating this type of attack, what would you do? I can tell you what I would do, I would start changing a whole load of bits on your harddrive, not because it's necessary, but because it makes it that much harder for you to find the stuff that changed.
It's a moot point anyway. Any file that you download from iTunes is going to be at least a few megs in size. The key is going to be somewhere in the order of a couple of hundred bytes. Which bytes amongst the several megs are the key? They aren't necessarily contiguous, they're almost certainly encrypted by another key hidden elsewhere in the system, and they may even be fiddled by a virtual machine after decryption, just to muddle things up a little bit more.
Finding the approximate location on the HD is simple. Fiding the actual key in the right order is an extremely difficult task.
As someone who does this for a living, can you comment on my read of the hacks that have been released in the later post http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=2917258&postcount=96. It still seems to me that where DRM has been hacked has relied on key retrieval or finding the weak spot in the chain.
B
Um, of course DRM hacks rely on either retrieving the key, or finding the weak link. They are the only two attacks possible - grab the data after the program has decrypted it for use, or find the key/algorithm so that you can do the decryption yourself. At the moment the first attack is nearly trivial to implement, although that will change a bit when the manufacturers start moving on to a "Trusted Computing" style platform. All you need to do is write your own audio driver that sits between the computer and the real driver. It picks of the data and stores it as it's sent to the speakers.
The second solution is much more difficult, but far more elegant. It allows you to keep intact all of the metadata associated with the file (track name, lyrics, album name etc etc). BUT, you have to be clever enough to recover the key.
v66jack
Mar 5, 03:43 PM
Apple don't do all that much innovating themselves. They just buy small companies who innovate then sell it as their own.
It's a bit more complicated than that in reality but generally that's where their stuff comes from.
It's a bit more complicated than that in reality but generally that's where their stuff comes from.
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davidcarswell
Jul 22, 09:58 AM
Untrue. The iPhone is the only phone affected this way. Apple implying a lie doesn't make it true.
Guess we believe what we wanna believe-I have yet to see one iphone personally drop bars - even trying to make it happen-mine and 9 other iphone users have all desperately tried to make this attenuation BS happen - well we honestly gave up-
All of us ENJOYING the best phone ever-
Honestly I am truly starting to wonder if these claims are out and out LIES as apposed to just enduser errors-and a small bunch of Debby downers.... well maybe it's all 3
RETURN YOUR iPHONES!!!
get your money back nagging
Guess we believe what we wanna believe-I have yet to see one iphone personally drop bars - even trying to make it happen-mine and 9 other iphone users have all desperately tried to make this attenuation BS happen - well we honestly gave up-
All of us ENJOYING the best phone ever-
Honestly I am truly starting to wonder if these claims are out and out LIES as apposed to just enduser errors-and a small bunch of Debby downers.... well maybe it's all 3
RETURN YOUR iPHONES!!!
get your money back nagging
Hovey
Jul 21, 03:16 PM
Apple Apple Apple... or should I say Steve Steve Steve...
What you are doing right now is what a psychologist would call "diverting." You are simply trying to take away the focus of your own iPhone 4's faults and place everyone's attention on other brands that we do not care about. You admitted you screwed up (congratulations, that is a great first step). Now it is time to take another baby step and fix the problem... your problem... the iPhone 4.
If this is the case then everyone should be complaining to every single cell phone manufacturer and demand a recall from them too. I don't hear or see that, though.
What you are doing right now is what a psychologist would call "diverting." You are simply trying to take away the focus of your own iPhone 4's faults and place everyone's attention on other brands that we do not care about. You admitted you screwed up (congratulations, that is a great first step). Now it is time to take another baby step and fix the problem... your problem... the iPhone 4.
If this is the case then everyone should be complaining to every single cell phone manufacturer and demand a recall from them too. I don't hear or see that, though.
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Reach9
Mar 17, 10:28 PM
Wow, so so jealous? Well, we'll be able to laugh at them when the iPhone 5 comes around as well.
Best thing to do is to ignore these people.
Best thing to do is to ignore these people.
Geckotek
Dec 19, 09:03 PM
Also if Apple was going to release a CDMA phone why haven't they for countries like China where I is the dominate cell phone tech. Instead they went with the second place carrier who supports GSM.
CDMA is not even close to being the dominate tech in cellular in China.
Correct. Some numbers to back that up.
China Mobile (GSM) = 558M subscribers (World's largest carrier)
China Unicom (GSM) = 152M subscribers
Verizon (CDMA) = 92M subscribers
China Telecom (CDMA) = 85M subscribers
China Mobile (TD-SCDMA*) = 17M subscribers
*not the same CDMA Verizon or China Telecom uses so doesn't really count
As you can see, GSM subscribers in China FAR outweigh the CDMA subscribers. Also, Verizon has more CDMA subscribers than China (not counting TD-SCDMA since it's not the same tech).
However, China Mobile's GSM network is 2G. They are rapidly rolling out TD-SCDMA as their 3G replacement. This will eat away at the GSM subscriber base. This is also why China Unicom has the iPhone and China Mobile didn't. A lot of people wondered why the larger company didn't get it.
CDMA is not even close to being the dominate tech in cellular in China.
Correct. Some numbers to back that up.
China Mobile (GSM) = 558M subscribers (World's largest carrier)
China Unicom (GSM) = 152M subscribers
Verizon (CDMA) = 92M subscribers
China Telecom (CDMA) = 85M subscribers
China Mobile (TD-SCDMA*) = 17M subscribers
*not the same CDMA Verizon or China Telecom uses so doesn't really count
As you can see, GSM subscribers in China FAR outweigh the CDMA subscribers. Also, Verizon has more CDMA subscribers than China (not counting TD-SCDMA since it's not the same tech).
However, China Mobile's GSM network is 2G. They are rapidly rolling out TD-SCDMA as their 3G replacement. This will eat away at the GSM subscriber base. This is also why China Unicom has the iPhone and China Mobile didn't. A lot of people wondered why the larger company didn't get it.
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Mac-Mariachi
Apr 5, 04:22 PM
Apple I love you, and I love your products. I�ve been pro Apple since 1992
But I wouldn�t download this "app" even if you paid me.
But I wouldn�t download this "app" even if you paid me.
Calidude
Apr 16, 05:13 PM
This is no value to me, if you consider your position to be narrow-mind, and not an abomination, sorry...., affront.
Make more sense. This sentence of yours makes none.
Make more sense. This sentence of yours makes none.
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twoodcc
Jul 30, 10:08 PM
too bad osx cant utilise GPUs and whatnot. :( otherwise id let my 4850 have a crack - better then the CPU thats for sure!
yeah i wish they had gpu folding for mac os x. but really, there aren't that many mac video cards
yeah i wish they had gpu folding for mac os x. but really, there aren't that many mac video cards
Perrumpo
Apr 8, 12:19 PM
You definitely don't want to judge Room by its cover. Disturbing premise.
And Connelly's latest Mickey Haller novel.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/Room-A-Novel-0316098337-L.jpghttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/The_Fifth_Witness-67825.jpg
Westy 12. Best beer in the world, only available in Belgium.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2792.jpg
The fantastic Dreadnaught Imperial IPA from Three Floyds, only in Indiana.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2797.jpg
Beer run
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2718.jpg
Shelf for beer
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2720.jpg
And some coffee Patron for good measure.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2771.jpg
And Connelly's latest Mickey Haller novel.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/Room-A-Novel-0316098337-L.jpghttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/The_Fifth_Witness-67825.jpg
Westy 12. Best beer in the world, only available in Belgium.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2792.jpg
The fantastic Dreadnaught Imperial IPA from Three Floyds, only in Indiana.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2797.jpg
Beer run
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2718.jpg
Shelf for beer
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2720.jpg
And some coffee Patron for good measure.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/agt144/IMG_2771.jpg
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Stella
Mar 16, 11:32 AM
Because when he focuses on one device, Apple 'win'.
And when he can't justify that.. he then lashes out on the consumer for buying the product . For example - Kinetic being the fastest selling tech product ever - I think he called consumers something like "MMO loses"...
LOL!
What difference does it make if one Android device outsells the iPhone? Many of the features are in the OS, not the hardware.
Yes.. exactly.
Additionally, one size doesn't fit all... the combination of the hardware and the software.
Want an Android physical keyboard qwerty layout - there's an Android phone for that!
And when he can't justify that.. he then lashes out on the consumer for buying the product . For example - Kinetic being the fastest selling tech product ever - I think he called consumers something like "MMO loses"...
LOL!
What difference does it make if one Android device outsells the iPhone? Many of the features are in the OS, not the hardware.
Yes.. exactly.
Additionally, one size doesn't fit all... the combination of the hardware and the software.
Want an Android physical keyboard qwerty layout - there's an Android phone for that!
dieselpower44
Jul 21, 09:59 AM
It just wouldn't be an Apple discussion without at least one, "Apple is d00m3d!!!11" comment.
Well, if they treat their customers this way then what do they expect?
Imagine an icecream stand, selling icecream cones "revolutionarily" cylindrical in shape and everyone's icecream fell out the bottom. Then, they remedy this by going "ok, we'll give you all a small piece of paper to glue to the bottom that will sort of fix the problem."
Well, if they treat their customers this way then what do they expect?
Imagine an icecream stand, selling icecream cones "revolutionarily" cylindrical in shape and everyone's icecream fell out the bottom. Then, they remedy this by going "ok, we'll give you all a small piece of paper to glue to the bottom that will sort of fix the problem."
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Konfabulation
Oct 15, 12:41 PM
Apples Releases its 3Q numbers after the market close this Wednesday. There have been many times where Jobs has used blow out earnings announcements to launch new products in tandem. I wouldnt be surprised if they launched the video/wireless during their earnings call on Wed.
But when have thhey ever announced new products on a wednesday? Except after a long weekend? (C2D iMac) If anything it will be 10/24. (Mac Expo London, and a Tuesday)
But when have thhey ever announced new products on a wednesday? Except after a long weekend? (C2D iMac) If anything it will be 10/24. (Mac Expo London, and a Tuesday)
dsnort
Jul 24, 11:52 PM
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06jul/ufng009334.gif
Wait for it, it's a nag strip, but sooo worth it.
jW
I'd be worried about that exept one incontrovertible fact. Steve Jobs has more creative spark in his left pinky than M$ does in it whole genetic tree.
Wait for it, it's a nag strip, but sooo worth it.
jW
I'd be worried about that exept one incontrovertible fact. Steve Jobs has more creative spark in his left pinky than M$ does in it whole genetic tree.
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fivepoint
Mar 4, 12:04 PM
No one, no one would take a poll that's seven-months out-of-date and try and pass it off as an accurate representation of current public opinion.
If you can find more recent generic ballot data, I'd love to see it.
Even if the graph was up-to-date as of today it would still not indicate one way or another what would happen in 2012, but rather just give us some general perception as to where the trend is headed, just like the graph I posted. A day, a week, a month... and certainly a year is a LIFETIME in politics.
If you can find more recent generic ballot data, I'd love to see it.
Even if the graph was up-to-date as of today it would still not indicate one way or another what would happen in 2012, but rather just give us some general perception as to where the trend is headed, just like the graph I posted. A day, a week, a month... and certainly a year is a LIFETIME in politics.
Slix
Apr 16, 06:38 PM
So you're saying that iTunes is hard to beat?
No way?
No way?
Blakeasd
Apr 17, 08:43 PM
GNOME 3 looks like more of an OS X copy than Windows 8
Kilamite
Apr 15, 12:19 PM
If they are real, following the iPad style of back.
Missing a flash though, which is a consistent rumour.
Missing a flash though, which is a consistent rumour.
NinjaHERO
Sep 28, 09:16 PM
If I touch it on the southwest corner will it not work? ;)
LMAO
You know what would be funny. What if he is just using this simple house design to calm the neighbors down. They were freaking out about him tearing down the old mansion. Maybe he will build this and leave it up a year or two and then tear it down and build a much bigger house when he doesn't have to submit anything to the association. Seems excessive, but rich people can afford the expensive comedy. :D
LMAO
You know what would be funny. What if he is just using this simple house design to calm the neighbors down. They were freaking out about him tearing down the old mansion. Maybe he will build this and leave it up a year or two and then tear it down and build a much bigger house when he doesn't have to submit anything to the association. Seems excessive, but rich people can afford the expensive comedy. :D
dalvin200
Sep 12, 07:40 AM
I might be getting confused here - but isn't the music store just a web thingy and not part of the software? i.e. store and media player distinct, though interlinked
yeah, but there is a link in your itunes software (client) which has "Music Store" - u know.. down the left side where your playlists are..
Wouldn't they need to change that to a generic "Store" or something..
yeah, but there is a link in your itunes software (client) which has "Music Store" - u know.. down the left side where your playlists are..
Wouldn't they need to change that to a generic "Store" or something..
Evmanw
Apr 21, 12:11 PM
It is against forum rules to simply reply "+1": what on earth is the difference between that and clicking a button to say "+1"?
I never knew that... Oops I have done that once or twice (but only once or twice) just to say that I agree.
Could have been worse guys, they could have put in a Facebook "Like" button. :D
Yes, Facebook really needs a dislike button!!!!
P.S. (I finally figured out how to do multiple quotes in a post!) :rolleyes:
I never knew that... Oops I have done that once or twice (but only once or twice) just to say that I agree.
Could have been worse guys, they could have put in a Facebook "Like" button. :D
Yes, Facebook really needs a dislike button!!!!
P.S. (I finally figured out how to do multiple quotes in a post!) :rolleyes:
Streffert
Apr 12, 04:07 PM
Watch out, everyone here will bitch at you for using over 1gb of "unlimited" data...
Im going to milk this unlimited data plan for all it is worth!
Im going to milk this unlimited data plan for all it is worth!
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